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I'm currently a designer for a structural engineering firm (I am also going to college part-time majoring in Civil Eng.) but I sadly have to agree with the professor to an extent. The young engineers that I have recently worked with that are coming out of college seem like they can not do their jobs without a computer program to do structural analysis. They are either lazy or simply refuse to use anything other than what the program spits out. Its a real shame. I personally much prefer to work with older engineers than young ones. I want to get my BS so I can farther my career but having started at the bottom working in a fab shop I know to look at a building from more angles than just will it stand. The program that my company uses will tell an engineer they need 500 lbs of gusset plates and hours of shop/field welding for a bracing connection that could be detailed cheaper with clip angles and bolts, limiting the cost for fabrication and erection but the structural engineer and the analysis program are not looking at from that angle. This is just my two cents but I'm sure I'm not the only person that feels this way.
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Nathan:
I skimmed through that report - it's a handful. I plan to read through it when I get the chance.
My daughter just graduated from high school, and was a victim of the "Integrated Math" experiment. If I hadn't taught her and her friends math, they wouldn't understand it at all. They certainly were not taught math in school. My daughter's favorite example-
Joe and Bob were playing in a basketball game. Joe got 3 rebounds in 5 minutes. Bob got 2 rebound in 3 minutes.
The question? "What is a rebound"?
I am completely serious. It's criminal.
Phil
I have seen similar examples on Jay Leno shows and other places where they are making fun of todays math ed. But you are completely serious?? No Joke???
Phil Jones said:Nathan:
I skimmed through that report - it's a handful. I plan to read through it when I get the chance.
My daughter just graduated from high school, and was a victim of the "Integrated Math" experiment. If I hadn't taught her and her friends math, they wouldn't understand it at all. They certainly were not taught math in school. My daughter's favorite example-
Joe and Bob were playing in a basketball game. Joe got 3 rebounds in 5 minutes. Bob got 2 rebound in 3 minutes.
The question? "What is a rebound"?
I am completely serious. It's criminal.
Phil
That is pretty criminal that they write those sort of questions for mathematics. I really do wonder how I managed to understand math. It took a student friend of mine to explain to me negatives and positives. They chose green and red dots to explain that in math class. My friend gave me the example of debt owed to someone.This was K12. Pretty interesting. Though, I blame the textbooks a bit.
They show us how to work the problems but not necessarily how to dissect the math problem and figure things out on our own. Rather follow the system of elminiation and you should be alright.
There's more than one way to teach something.
Where does the education appreciation begin?
For me, it was at home. My dad was a former math teacher, and he had to teach me how to read a hand clock.
Now, I am in Calculus II.and I don't like how the textbook skips steps.
Which is more valuable? The professor or the textbook?
The professor is valuable, but what can they do with the substandard materials that they are given?
Textbooks should be friends with the students, not a hindrance on comprehension. It's like a technical manual for the not-so-math-capable. If we knew math that easily, we wouldn't need the textbooks now, would we?
Phil Jones said:
Nathan:
I skimmed through that report - it's a handful. I plan to read through it when I get the chance.
My daughter just graduated from high school, and was a victim of the "Integrated Math" experiment. If I hadn't taught her and her friends math, they wouldn't understand it at all. They certainly were not taught math in school. My daughter's favorite example-
Joe and Bob were playing in a basketball game. Joe got 3 rebounds in 5 minutes. Bob got 2 rebound in 3 minutes.
The question? "What is a rebound"?
I am completely serious. It's criminal.
Phil
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