Hi all,

The National Academy of Engineering is fairly new to the site here but we look forward to getting involved in the discussions.

I find it interesting that there is no forum here for engineering education. Is this because most participants here are practicing engineers and are not as focused on it, considering it behind them?

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I must confess I've never heard of the National Academy of Engineering before. Amazing.

I suspect you will find most practicing engineers very interested in engineering education. Those of us who have taken new engineers under their wings must have opinions on the subject.

I would be particularly interested in hearing the official stance on Professional Registration for your group.
Phil,

I can't speak to what our stance is on professional registry because I am not 100 percent sure...but I can see if there is one.

We are a membership org of esteemed engineers (about 2000 members) that also functions in the National Academies/National Reaserch Council by producing reports on engineering-related topics...the ultimate goal is to advise congress (and other stakeholders).

We just released a report on engineering education in the K12 classroom, an issue which, perhaps I don't need to express on here, is poorly defined and even more poorly instituted. I know I, for one, graduated HS thinking engineers pulled the whistle on a train. The report looked at the few programs that exist and how we can bolster engineerig ed in K12.

The report is available online for free. And info, including a link to the PDF, can be found here. We would LOVE to hear feedback from anyone who would care to provide it.

http://www.nas.edu/morenews/20090908.html

Nathan





Phil Jones said:
I must confess I've never heard of the National Academy of Engineering before. Amazing.

I suspect you will find most practicing engineers very interested in engineering education. Those of us who have taken new engineers under their wings must have opinions on the subject.

I would be particularly interested in hearing the official stance on Professional Registration for your group.
Nathan:

I skimmed through that report - it's a handful. I plan to read through it when I get the chance.

My daughter just graduated from high school, and was a victim of the "Integrated Math" experiment. If I hadn't taught her and her friends math, they wouldn't understand it at all. They certainly were not taught math in school. My daughter's favorite example-

Joe and Bob were playing in a basketball game. Joe got 3 rebounds in 5 minutes. Bob got 2 rebound in 3 minutes.

The question? "What is a rebound"?

I am completely serious. It's criminal.

Phil
A classic case of it would be funny if it didn't make you want to cry.

You might also be interested in our Center for the Advancement of Scholarship in Engineering Education
http://www.nae.edu/nae/caseecomnew.nsf




Phil Jones said:
Nathan:

I skimmed through that report - it's a handful. I plan to read through it when I get the chance.

My daughter just graduated from high school, and was a victim of the "Integrated Math" experiment. If I hadn't taught her and her friends math, they wouldn't understand it at all. They certainly were not taught math in school. My daughter's favorite example-

Joe and Bob were playing in a basketball game. Joe got 3 rebounds in 5 minutes. Bob got 2 rebound in 3 minutes.

The question? "What is a rebound"?

I am completely serious. It's criminal.

Phil
Ok, it appears I was wrong. There hasn't been any action on this discussion other than us. That is sad.
Ha! Just because no one else is talking doesn't mean they don't care! Maybe there's something about the two of us that turns people away... :-)
You mean our stellar engineering personalities? HA!
Thanks for the feedback here. As we build the Exchange here, our main goal from the start was to provide a collaborate and 'educational' environment. As with a lot of resources, we're doing all we can to build and facilitate the conversation so to speak. So appreciate your involvement here. One thing, I have blog posts to propagate to the homepage, so blogging on some aspects of what the Academy offers, resources, etc may get better exposure. Also- I moved this post to a new forum topic- Engineering Education.

Best!
Hi, I have a seminar company www.designseminar.com for just this purpose. College engineering degrees need a lot of follow-on training before one can contribute much worth to a project. I developed my skills through many many seminars over 20 or more years. Because of the current economy and the manufacturing flight to China, the training opportunities in the USA have vaporized. It is a pity. It looks like one whole generation of enginers will not be as well trained as mine. This a kind of technical decay in the US. But cheer up. We are told that this is the "Information Technology Age" so not to worry....right. Or even better, because Bill Gates has declared a shortage of engineers willing to work for less than $1000 per month, we should expand the H-1B program so we can all live like those people in the movie "Slum Dog Millionare".
Phil Marsh
I teach Mechanical drafting and design. Just last night I had a student tell me that he was changing his major to philosophy. When I asked why, he said his engineering instructor (in a FORTRAN class) told him that all engineers do is change some some code, run numbers, and repeat. He didn't know about the different engineering avenues, and specialties.
Good grief.

What an awful, awful shame. To think of all the creativity and imagination that engineering requires...if this kid is considering philosophy (and unemployment), he must be a thinker...or at least intrigued by the concept of thinking and using his head. For a professor to suggest that engineering is a bunch of boring numbness is just a travesty.
There are few of out here trying to interest potential students while in high school.
Check us out here.

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